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Avant Browser; And your browsers
Topic Started: Jun 25 2005, 07:07 PM (2,260 Views)
James Jun 28 2005, 04:03 PM Post #61
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chaozo
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June 28, 2005 03:32 AM
How about everyone just drops Avant... and at least tries out Maxthon.

i apologize if you have explained it million times already but i don't wanna read all posts :unsure: , so;

why should i try Maxthon? FireFox does it all for me, so what does Maxthon give me?

( EDIT: argh, not avant, Maxthon i mean >_< .)

Just as Maxthon does everything I need.
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Deleted User Jun 28 2005, 06:22 PM Post #62
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 actually for an IE plugin Slimbrowser is amazing. after u take off the toolbars u dont like its amazing.

i use slimbrowser 90% of the time to doo all my normal everyday guaranteed spyware free surfing and firefox for when im going to unsure sites or ones guaranteed to have badnews on it.

i wub my slimbrowser to the end!
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Sipefree Jun 28 2005, 07:01 PM Post #63
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 But nobody should have to use an IE plugin.

IE apologists will say that standards are bull m'llet, but if we don't have standards and everybody does it their own way, then there'll still be problems with displaying because to some idiots 'your own way' might go as far as making up tags or

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<html>
<really_cool_site>
</html>[HTML]

and wonder why it doesn't work for their friend when it works perfectly in that wonderful browser that we all have installed called Mind Browser.

...well, maybe not [i]that[/i] bad HTML, but considering the state of some sites on the web, that's not that bad...
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Sirin Jun 28 2005, 09:47 PM Post #64
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Edited by Sirin, Aug 27 2010, 11:48 AM.
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FearKiller Jun 29 2005, 01:41 AM Post #65
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As such, it is NOT the responsibility of the shells developers to make something work for the users, but the web designers responsibility!.

If this is true, then why the hell do browsers support tables? Even though tables were invented, it isn't the browser's job to support them so why did they bother upgrading? It is BOTH the browser developer's and the web designer's responsibility to make sure web pages are displayed correctly.

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If your going to use CSS(n) for your webpages, it is YOUR responsibility to ensure you also cater for those using older shells.... regardless of whether they be IE, AB, Firefox, Opera etc etc etc.

The hell with that. We'd all be coding in HTML 3.2 if this was the case. If users can't be bothered to upgrade their browsers then that's their own damn problem. That's what the upgraded versions were made for.

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However, the W3C standards are and have always been, COMPLETE RUBBISH. They were introduced for one reason and one reason only...... to confuse the bejesus out of everyone else (messing things up for everyone was just an added bonus). The only reason people are so quick to use them and try to force everyone else to use them is down to one simple word...... elite-ism.

The standards were created to ensure accessibility to all users. Section 608 of the US Constitution and the British Disability Discrimination Act state that it is illegal to not provide public information to those with disabilities. The British Disability Discrimination Act specificly mentions web sites in this law. The above quote is complete BS.

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As an example of this, find me one thing in CSS2/3 thats actually NEEDED to display a standard webpage.

There isn't one, but the W3C doesn't say that the use of CSS is required so it doesn't really matter.

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When the average user goes on a hunt for something, they couldn't care what the page looks like aslong as two things remain true;

1. The page is easy to navigate
2. The page contains the information (et al) that they are looking for

but when someone who is blind tries to access a site with several images that make up important content or navigation and the alternate text attribute is missing, then they're going to have a problem. There is also a third thing that the "average" user wants, speed. Not only do they want easy navigation and information that they are looking for, but they're gonna want that info to load quick and making use of the most recent XHTML and CSS coding will help make that happen. Some browsers don't support older versions of HTML either, such as some cellular phone browsers, so using up to date standards compliant code will as I said before will help your site to become more accessable.
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Aaron Jun 29 2005, 11:41 AM Post #66
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A blast from the past.

 so that means that techanly MS can be viewed as breaking US and UK laws. Hummm :P But serscialy I wish there was a print post opetion casue I got in to this debate with some one I know whoses in the Tech buseniss and saids stander complintes is compleat BS
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FearKiller Jun 29 2005, 12:40 PM Post #67
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 Following the standards only ensures that your site will be accessable to everyone according to the W3C, but not following them doesn't mean that your site is guarnteed to be inaccessable in someway. The law is knowingly making your site inaccessable to certain viewers so unless you know your site is inaccessable and refuse to fix it then your not technically breaking the law. This law only applies to those who design web pages and not browser developers. A blind person would not be able to use Internet Explorer to view a web page, but a special browser that will read the page content to them.

It's always good to follow the W3C standards when creating web pages as it does ensure correct coding and accessability. I always follow web standards for every page I create.
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Aaron Jun 29 2005, 12:42 PM Post #68
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A blast from the past.

 hummm. but still a good argument
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